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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.07 18:44:00 - [1] source?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.07 19:58:00 - [2] How to ensure that this skillpoint loss mechanic gets nerfed to hell or removed: gank tons of T3 flying carebears in high sec until they whine to CCP about all their lost skillpoints. I for one will be ready and waiting with suicide gank ships in high sec to pop the first T3 ship I see, if for no other reason than to erase the pilots skillpoints. Even if it takes a few BS to down one in high sec, it'll be worth it just for the nerd rage. I don't see a T3 cruiser sized ship surviving 4-5 T2 fit gank Geddons.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.07 20:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Cailais I think what we'll see is something whereby T3 ships have their own skill paths. Personally I think it's a brilliant concept - and Im stunned by the comments so far. I guess we can bin all the 'eve's a cold harsh universe' claims now huh? I really hope CCP keeps this concept and dont bow to the weak kneed whiners here. C. I hope they keep it. It'll really separate the best players from everyone else. If you're good you'll fly T3 and only lose SP once in a while. If you suck, you're going to be either flying something other than T3, or you're going to be losing SP all over the place. Either way it's a win for elite PVPers with super high kill/death ratios. Plus the fact that you can kill carebear T3 pilots in high sec. It'll be great. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.07 20:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Cailais I think what we'll see is something whereby T3 ships have their own skill paths. Personally I think it's a brilliant concept - and Im stunned by the comments so far. I guess we can bin all the 'eve's a cold harsh universe' claims now huh? I really hope CCP keeps this concept and dont bow to the weak kneed whiners here. C. I hope they keep it. It'll really separate the best players from everyone else. If you're good you'll fly T3 and only lose SP once in a while. If you suck, you're going to be either flying something other than T3, or you're going to be losing SP all over the place. Either way it's a win for elite PVPers with super high kill/death ratios. Plus the fact that you can kill carebear T3 pilots in high sec. It'll be great. Oh look, it's a PvP snob who thinks it's a good idea to make the game easier for people that win. Let's mock him. Make the game easier for people that win? WTF are you talking about? Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Zurin Arctus ...Do you read your own posts? Bellum, please. You only like this mechanic because it would mean a free ride for station-hugging garbage like you that rarely lose ships because you run and hide whenever a fair fight comes your way. LOL. Post with your main btw. Frankly, I think that the SP loss idea is total crap, but if it does end up on TQ, which it probably will, I'll be at the top of the list of those using T3. Fair fight? If a fight is fair you didn't prepare well enough. And don't talk to me about fair. I get 15-20 man gangs coming by to try and kill our 3-4 man gangs all the time. Nobody fights fair, ever, if they can help it. And for the record, I rarely fight on a station, mostly due to the fact that nobody ever engages me there. They'd rather engage on a high sec gate where they have all the advantage. But I can understand how anyone fighting me would need every advantage they could possibly get. Why don't you post with your main so I know what kind of garbage I'm replying to? Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:25:00 - [6] This whole 'ship skill point gain' thing will probably end up being horribly broken for one reason or another. If ships gain SP individually once they're assembled over time, then people are going to be assembling them and just letting them 'cook' in their hangar until they're good. If they need to kill other ships in order to improve, people are going to farm alts in cruisers or whatever in order to 'level up' their ships. Insurance will make this almost painless. If ships need to be occupied by a pod in order to gain SP over time then I see everyone making T3 SP farming alts so that they can again 'cook' their ships for a while on alts in order to get them ready for use, or to sell them as 'improved' ships on contract for ridiculous sums of ISK. Any way you slice it, the system can be gamed and exploited. I doubt we'll see an exploit proof system that is worthwhile. If something is worth doing, it's worth exploiting. And Pattern brings up some very good points: what happens when the ship dies at a POS, or you disassemble it? How are we even going to test this stuff fully on SISI? If T3 has so many risks, just how good are these ships going to be in order to offset the added risk? They'd have to practically be able to take on a fleet of fifty for as much risk as they pose to pilots. Maybe they have some crazy special ability like they're unjammable and they're immune to cap warfare... (one could only wish).
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:26:00 - [7] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 22:21:15 Originally by: Dau Imperius Whoo hoo. If thiis true then I say, adapt or die you PvPers. Myself, I'll be happily usiig mine in high sec space. Until you get suicided in empire. I personally would just do it with like 4-5 BS'es only because the tears and crying from a high sec bear would be so awesome that it will be worth it. Ayup. Look me up btw if and when you want some help with this, LOL.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 05:05:00 - [8] I can't help but think that my idea about unique ships with a record of their kill history and such has been bastardized into this T3 'ship SP' nonsense.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 05:12:00 - [9] Originally by: MotherMoon it's like 34 hours to testing :P and we won't even have a write up on were testing :P This tbh. If you assume that they'll even have it installed and running on test on Monday, which probably won't happen. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 08:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Ephemeron Quote: I'm expecting one with a smart pilot (not in web range and such) to solo 2 tech 1 battleships. If not then ** it, I'll fly a stabber into wormhole space. That might have been possible if CCP didn't take speed out of equation. It's hard to believe that so many people in positions of power fail to realize that speed is one of fundamental parts of combat. Trying to pretend that speed should not matter is setting yourself up for failure. They dragged us all down with them. When will we get game designer with common sense? sorry for ranting, it just makes me angry to see such blatant incompetence. Nerfing speed wasn't a mistake. The only real problem has been the fallout inflicted on ships that never took advantage of the broken gameplay and in doing so broke all sorts of other balance. ...........anyway** (where is that dead horse gif?) T3 probably won't be worth the time and effort in the long run. We won't see something that can significantly out perform existing ships, particularly not current battleships. I guess I'm jaded, but so far CCP has a pretty consistent track record for delivering disappointing mediocre ships.

Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 14:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Khorkrak This mechanic will help keep T3 ships from becoming the norm - keeping them for only those willing, skilled and smart enough to fly them well. It's a brilliant idea really. Maybe permadeath could be introduced with T4 as well - would be awesome to risk it for incredible abilities as well as be able to truly knock someone out of play - permanantly When T5 hits, if you lose your ship you get fined $100.00 on your credit card...
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 21:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 08/02/2009 21:32:25 Edit- dammit, beaten to the punch. Hah! Clarified! You lose one of your rank one subsystem skills when you lose a T3 ship.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:07:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon I love how if you eject you dont' lose skill points. AWESOME. dude, get out of ship and I won't take your sp! Yes, interesting piracy opportunities indeed.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Grath Telkin In case you missed the clarification today: There are a total of 6 skills to fly t3 ships, 1 to fly the ship, and 5 devoted to the subsystems. The subsystem skills are all RANK 1 skills. Upon the loss of your ship, you lose one level of one of the sub system skills, so at MOST, you lose 5 days of training off the ship. To be clear, you lose NO OTHER SKILLS. I think you can turn panic mode off. Pretty much what was expected then. Seeing as it sounds as if you only lose the subsystem skills (i.e improving the performance of the ship, rather than just flying one) then the loss isnt anywhere near what the drama bombs were predicting. Best the hard core whiner so called "pvp'ers" make some pretty rapid U turns I think eh? C. I'l definitely be flying them. If they don't horribly suck that is.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:22:00 - [15] Originally by: MotherMoon yeah if they are no better than tech 2 then there will be no reason to fly them. Well yeah, but if they're just cruisers and don't out perform my existing command ships and BS, or do some other job really well, I won't be flying them much either, as there simply isn't any point. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.11 15:23:00 - [16] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Karii Ildarian CCP is just prepping all you guys for the next bold step: 10% Skill loss for being podded This will truly make EVE a harsh universe and I eagerly await the implementation. I'd support something like that I'd suicide your pod in high sec just for laughs if this were the case. Losing five million SP off of a 50m SP character? Ouch? Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting

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